tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271923532585508158.post7257697749913363682..comments2023-06-08T03:05:43.638-07:00Comments on Gay Married Californian: Should we settle for civil unions?IThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271923532585508158.post-61452062494221258942009-12-11T09:45:35.103-08:002009-12-11T09:45:35.103-08:00Hi, Snafubar, thank you for coming by!
I agree...Hi, Snafubar, thank you for coming by! <br /><br />I agree with you, they will certainly go after any form of union--just look at Washington's Referendum 71 this year.<br /><br />Tho' I am firm that it's not a "Christian" argument. It's a conservative Christian argument that twists Christianity. THere are plenty of Christians and Christian denominations who support marriage equality, and are fabulous allies. Unfortunately, their voices are often drowned out by the bad guys and the haters. <br /><br />Stop by again, Snafubar. It's nice to hear from you.IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271923532585508158.post-47551033757911422322009-12-09T13:31:42.859-08:002009-12-09T13:31:42.859-08:00If you settle for civil unions, don't expect t...If you settle for civil unions, don't expect the demonization and persecution to stop; expect it to be used as precedent for saying "well if they don't deserve marriage, they surely don't deserve any civil protection or equal treatment either"<br /><br />IT - this is snafubar formerly from SP - I'm as hetero as any guy can be, but I'm firmly in support of gay rights and gay equality; and my reasoning is purely secular and logical: to bargain down or make some distinction between them only establishes that there is something sociologically enforceable about the difference between someone based on who they love. <br /><br />And if that ever comes to be in this country, expect a Matthew Shepherd about every three days. <br /><br />Isn't the Christian argument against allowing homosexuals to have equal treatment is that "it will set a precedent" - <br /><br />...well, what precedent will the denial of equal civil rights set? <br /><br />As a straight man, I have no desire to see that play out and every reason to stop it if I can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271923532585508158.post-5224569591527922752009-12-01T23:08:31.318-08:002009-12-01T23:08:31.318-08:00I'm with you there. Time for no more Mr (or M...I'm with you there. Time for no more Mr (or Ms) Nice Gay.IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271923532585508158.post-16749906654012467512009-12-01T12:40:40.232-08:002009-12-01T12:40:40.232-08:00Well, we don’t want to come out and attack anyone…...Well, we don’t want to come out and attack anyone… Maybe we could could hold hands and sing kumbaya and our enemies will like us and stop attacking us…<br /><br />IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.<br /><br />The sooner gays realize this and start playing offense instead of defence we will see change.Jonathan Holberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07703918665677295805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271923532585508158.post-62806771561944418502009-12-01T11:15:36.884-08:002009-12-01T11:15:36.884-08:00It's another example of how we have ceded to T...It's another example of how we have ceded to The Bad Guys the momentum, by letting them define the game.IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271923532585508158.post-88100963338646522622009-12-01T10:58:27.286-08:002009-12-01T10:58:27.286-08:00When our opponents are called bigots for refusing ...When our opponents are called bigots for refusing to grant equal marriage rights, they counter that they are not bigots. They admit that they won’t let us marry, and declare they have no issues with private contracts or domestic partnerships.<br /><br />But then the opposition turns around and proactively works to deny us private contracts and domestic partnerships.<br /><br />We must demand that the opposition stop fighting us and support civil unions or domestic partnerships. Or start a national campaign calling them out.<br /><br />As much as I want marriage, I’ll take the lesser option now as opposed to holding out for marriage and getting nothing until then.Jonathan Holberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07703918665677295805noreply@blogger.com